Talk About Origins. Bible Stories And Aliens
Even semi smart people if they keep at something long enough become experts. I have become something of an expert on a narrow band of subjects. I know a lot about commercial printing, cost estimating and general accounting. I know quite a bit about the American radical left and anarchist politics in general. I know geography pretty well. I have an in depth knowledge of alternative spirituality having lived in a gnostic Christian commune and with the Hare Krishnas. I have a good general knowledge of history with a pretty detailed understanding of ancient Rome, early Christianity and the collapse of the Roman empire. I have studied the various modern revolutions, American, French, Russian and Spanish in particular and I have an interest in China, India, Muslim countries and now central Asia. I am pretty familiar with western Europe and have spend time in France and India especially. I also have a pretty vast experience with mind and body altering pharmacology. Oh and I know quite a bit about horses, having grown up on a horse farm. With that as my background, I like to pontificate on affairs and having lived on this planet long enough to know that although I may be a fool, I am no joke.
So what does that all mean. It simply means that instead of talking out of my ass as I did when I was 19, I can now talk out of the other ass, or mouth as it is called. As we all know when damned up, the shit rises with everything else. I kept my mouth relativly shut for about 20 years, from age 30 to 50. I failed at the American dream. I crapped out in the family department, my kids are elsewhere and I crapped out in the money making department, my money is elsewhere also. Not for lack of trying. I tried both pretty consistently. I just never was able to put the combination together very well. Now I concentrate on what I do well and that is studying a subject, and then spouting off on it. At one time I had dreamed of being a writer or a journalist and perhaps this is my attempt at fulfilling those long held but seldom realized ambitions. After a surgery 3 years ago I decided that if I didn’t do it now using any means available, I would never be situated in that idyllic mode I had imagined that I needed to write. I had thought I needed to be a gentleman farmer, or an academic, or a paid journalist to write seriously. That may have been true at one time, but now all that is required is access to a computer, access to the internet and a reasonable command of a language that other humans understand. It would not do me any good to write in the sand in a language spoken only on the planets of the Alfa Centauri system or to write in ancient Tocharian, or in horse whinnying as much as I would like to. Jesus supposedly wrote in the sand. Does anyone recall what he wrote?
Let us suppose that there is an answer out there to our quest for a better, fairer system. It should be something that reflects our innate natures as ape like hominids. We are social, somewhat hierarchical, given to sexual behavior and grazing in the grassy plains and in tropical forrests. This is what we spent most of our evolutionary lives doing if the anthropologists are right. But then why should they be right? Perhaps that theory is to be thrown out the window when some smart scientist discovers genetic material on an asteroid or in a meteorite. Then humanity might not have evolved here at all. We might have been space spores that landed here, the classic pod theory. Ancient Hindu religious tales which we are to believe are historical would lead us to believe that there were monkey kingdoms and one led by Hanuman aided Rama in getting his wife, Sita back from Ravana the demon and ruler in Lanka.
This is from the Wikipedia article on Hanuman which I suspect was written by a Hare Krishna Devotee, but this part is a bit distinct from the story I got while living with them.
“Sri Aurobindo states that “vanara” does not refer to “monkey”: “Prajapati manifests as Vishnu Upendra incarnate in the animal or Pashu in whom the four Manus have already manifested themselves, and the first human creature who appears is, in this Kalpa, the Vanara, not the animal Ape, but man with the Ape nature”, i.e. primitive man such as Homo erectus.
Hanuman, in one interpretation, is also considered as the incarnation of Shiva or reflection of Shiva also known as Rudra. Others, such as followers of Dvaita consider Hanuman to be the son of Vayu or a manifestation of Vayu, the god of wind. When Ravana tried to enter the Kailash (the abode of Shiva) called Lord Shiva “a monkey”. Lord Shiva in return cursed Ravana that a monkey would burn his Lanka. Shiva took the form of Hanuman.
References to Hanuman in classical literature could be found as early as those of 5th to 1st century BC in Panini’s Astadhyayi, Abhiseka Nataka, Pratima Nataka, and Raghuvamsa (Kālidāsa).”
So we have some record of ape men in the mythology of the world and that may be a memory of a time when men were apes or perhaps when men first came here and there was a race of ape men who where killed off or who we interbred with.
Unfortunately the Creationists don’t seem to have any research that can be of any use here so I am stuck with the Hindu system that at least acknowledges the world is a lot older than a few thousand years.
I just re-read the first part of the book of Genesis in the handy dandy Masonic Bible I have. I never realized but it has the Masonic code right there at the begining of the bible. Anyway the Bible is pretty brief. It talks about Adam and a lot of it is about the serpent and eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That was how the man and woman knew they were naked. They were kicked out of the garden because as the Bible states in the third chapter
“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:”
This is interesting. For one thing here is that plural god again. Us who are us? And remember only one tree was forbidden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. So now god all of a sudden gets nervous and decides that man was getting dangerous, a threat to the heavenly order, he might live for ever. Can’t have a man going around forever knowing what we know.
So.
“Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Pretty heavy stuff. Cherubims huh? So I assume there is only a gate into Eden on the east side. There must be a big cliff or an ocean or high mountains on the other sides. Who are these Cherubims? What is the flaming sword? When I lived in the spiritual community we had a lot of lectures from the leadership about Genesis and what it meant. Looking on line I see a lot of references to sin and fallen man and all that. But I would rather look at it more literally.
There was this place called Eden. A man and a woman got together with the serpent and discovered that knowledge of good and evil, or at least its fruit was good. They discovered they were naked. The made some primitive clothes. Then when the Lord God came looking for them they hid out in the bushes and this Lord God had to come looking for them and was pissed off because these humans had figured out what was good and what was evil.
He gave them some skins to put on. I guess they were what the Lord considered to be appropriate wear. This lord was on a power trip. He creates these people, they then learn how the system works. They get scared, hell they had figured out some pretty important shit. Then their controller, not anybody but the lord of the earth gets pissed. He calls up the rest of his brethren and they decide that these humans were getting to smart so they kick them out of this place called Eden. Now Eden must have been like an elite housing development today, a super gated community, or perhaps it was more like a scientific experimental laboratory. A couple of the rats got out of their cages and figured out they were in a maize. The controllers said shit what if they find out how we manage to live forever, then we are screwed so they kick out these humans, out they are sent into the wilds of the outer world. Outside of this controlled experiment.
Think about it, you are a researcher you are doing a controlled experiment with subjects who are not told the purpose of the experiment or even that they are in an experiment. All they know is that they are in this place where everything they need is provided. Every day they are introduced to some new creature and they are watched to see what they call that new creature.
Whats this?
It goes moo.
Um, its a moo cow…
Very good.
And so on. The scientists go back to their office and consult. They called that thing you made the other day a cow…Wow. Pretty funny. Not #Xj77911. Well it has a nice ring to it cow. What else did they come up with?
The scientist leaves them free to wander around the laboratory. He just tells them, don’t touch that thing over there. It will cause you to die.
What is death? Who knows but the guy in the white coat said don’t touch and he seems to be running the show. Well what does that mean. So far everything he has brought out for us has been nice and fun why would this be any different. Lets check it out.
It is like a medication that allows them to see they are in a cage. It is kind of like the Wizard of Oz. When Toto pulls the curtain and they see that the wizard is some guy pulling leavers. All of a sudden the game is up. They see what is going on.
Unlike Dorothy they don’t become upset at having been tricked. They are not from Kansas and don’t have that much common sense. They run and hide. Wow we are in some wierd scene and this guy who has been giving us all this stuff well maybe he isn’t so nice maybe he is that child molester who gives children candy to get them to ride in his car with them.
Now the scientist is concerned. The lab is full of nasty chemicals and switches and stuff. These subjects who were harmlessly sitting in their medicated semi comatose states looking at the inkblots stuck in their faces and naming them are all of a sudden awake. Who gave you a smart pill? The woman, who gave it to her, the serpent? That damn snake!! Now you crawl on your belly and this is wierd…
“and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
So women and snakes don’t like one another anymore. The children of men shall whack the heads of serpents and the serpents will bite men’s feet. Petty business if you ask me.
Another thing why skins?
“Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.”
What is that all about. They were naked and knew it. The scientist is feeling sorry for them or guilty because he had been abusing them all along and they didn’t even know what was going on and now he decides to make a little nice and gives them fur coats to wear. This is some wierd admission that the scientist or whatever the Lord God was, was feeling like he had to make amends of some sort.
But then he kicks them out because they might find out about the tree of life. What is that? The power plant. This wizard doesn’t want this Dorothy and her tin man or scare crow or cowardly lion, whatever you want to call her mate to get any ideas about who runs things here. So rather than take a chance on them getting control of the whole ship or whatever this Eden is. I suspect it is a space ship that has landed on earth and is conducting experiments on the natives. Whatever they are kicked out and the robot guards are placed out at the entrance and on top of that is a laser beam weapon that can be directed in any direction. This flaming sword could also be the sudarshan weapon used in the experiments in primitive India, but that was more like a tracking device that would chase down its victims and kill them no matter where they went.
So what do we have? A research station is set up on this planet. The locals are trapped and genetically manipulated sort of like the Island of Dr Moreau and they become aware of what is happening to them. They hide, are caught and given something to wear after they are interrogated. The serpent is punished by being forced into the dirt and the woman is given some kind of a genetic marker that makes all her offspring wary of serpents. They have a flight or fight responce placed in them. They are kicked out of the research station which in their minds is like heaven because in the station they didn’t have to get food it was all given to them. Now all of a sudden they are back outside and have to grow their own food.
This is also interesting because if prior to this man was a gatherer of seeds and berries, a picker of fruit, basicly a scavenger and opportunistic killer, now he has to grow food.
Man has been genetically modified to become a farmer. The begining of civilization is the extraction of surplus produce from these farmers who have been trained to grow food to feed the gods. They must offer a portion of the harvest to the Lords who have now become stuck on the planet. In fact this series of genetic experiments was simply the survival mechanism devised by a group of aliens who had become marooned on this planet. They were out of touch with their base in the center of the galaxy. They were now stuck out here in one of the outer arms of the milky way and had no way to return. So they captured some of these ape men performed experiments, and eventually found ways to inseminate the females to hatch and reproduce their own offspring. Meanwhile the natives had to be taught to farm, and to give a portion of what they produced to the aliens who were called gods and the religions devised were simply means to get the natives to give them enough food to survive on the planet while they waited to be picked up once their distress call had been picked up. When that did not happen they eventually had offspring that interbred with the inhabitants and various lineages of priest kings were formed from these offspring to worship their parents who were effectively immortal. But eventually the tree of life as their sustaining substance was called gave out and they died off. The death of the gods as Nietzsche reported was true. The literal gods had died off. The alien blood is now thoroughly intermingled with humanity and we have the religions of today to remind us of the days when the gods roamed the earth. Giants were their original offspring and eventually what we were left with was the royalty descended from the aliens treated as gods.
Believable? Fantasy, Well think about it? This is my take on what the secret traditions of the Gnostic’s and other religions are about. We just have to find some evidence. But how many aliens were there? Were they a research group or exiles as the stories like Battle Star Galactica postulate. Whatever I find that the alien theory to be more believable than the biblical tales and to be a more rational explanation for the sudden rise of civilization after so many millions of years of primitive hunter gathering.
Perhaps they are not all dead. A few might remain attempting to put together a space ship that will return them to their home. Imagine that. They wait 6000 years, modifying and experimenting, attempting to get back into space. Perhaps they are close, all they need to do is to raise the temperature on the planet oh another 6 degrees? Could be but then that would be a conspiracy of immense magnitude.
All I am really saying is that these religious stories don’t make much sense unless there was some kind of truth behind them. I say read them literally and then look for the evidence that makes sense. When I was in India what I saw in some places looked more like left overs from a space ship or pieces of ancient experimental science more than what any religion says. I hope to be able to go to the Middle East and see what is there some time.
Anybody have any evidence they would like to pass my way?
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